EPA, we got all these things that the left has now taken over and run.
BUCHANAN: I wrote a book called Conservative Votes, Liberal
Victories after I left the Nixon White House. One of the reasons was
that when I was young, we didn’t have anybody who had ever worked
in an Administration. We had stood up against Ike’s Administration
in the later years and asked for something new. After Kennedy won
and Johnson won, we had nobody credentialed. All the older bulls
who were brought in as Cabinet guys, like Romney’s father and the
Rockefeller crowd, were all liberal, moderate, establishment Republicans. I was one of the few guys in the White House who was a movement conservative.
RUSH: You held your ground as best you could.
BUCHANAN: [Laughs] There were a lot of battles, Rush.
RUSH: Let’s take that and move forward. Let’s go to the convention
here and let’s establish a hypothetical. Let’s say for the sake of discussion that Trump succeeds and shows up in Cleveland with the required 1,237 delegates. We know
that the people we call “the establishment” are not
going to be happy, and it’s their convention.
They’ve written the rules, and they change these
rules in April when they get back. They can make
them whatever they want. Pat, you know they
don’t want this guy to be elected President.
RUSH: Bret Baier on Fox recently said that he’s
talking to elected Republicans, who he won’t name, who are swearing to him they’ll vote Hillary before they vote Trump. It’s asinine.
So what do you expect them to do, to try to deny Trump?
BUCHANAN: Here’s what I expect, Rush. I think next we get clarity on the Ides of March. I think Trump moves inexorably. I think
he wins states like New York and New Jersey and California, and I
think Cruz trails along behind him. I can see there’s a possibility
Trump could fall short at the GOP Convention in Cleveland. But
what I don’t see there is they come in and you’ve got one
candidate who leads in states won, and in primaries won, and in
total voters, and in total support and you then try to rip the
nomination away from him — and give it to whom?
RUSH: They don’t like Cruz. Romney is clearly positioning himself
for that very scenario.
BUCHANAN: I think they would lose almost all the Trump people.
They’d have a real disaster on their hands.
RUSH: Oh, of course they would, but they might think it’s worth
that. They might think it might be worth 25 years in the wilderness
to keep this from happening.
BUCHANAN: Look, if the Republican Party is going to have a fu-
ture, it’s going to have to bring together the establishment, all these
folks in office and the rest of them, who didn’t like Reagan being
nominated, with the new crowd that Trump is bringing in, and
you’re going to have to form a new Party. Look, you can’t go back to
the Trans-Pacific Partnership and Trade agreement and more wars
in the Middle East and open borders. The country doesn’t want it.
The Republican Party has got to come to grips with the fact that its
agenda, the Bush Republicanism, is dead. It’s been repudiated, it’s
been rejected. That’s what this election is all about and that’s why
Jeb Bush went home as early as he did.
RUSH: I’m sensing, Pat, and I don’t want to put words in your
mouth, but it sounds like you’re tending toward clear optimism.
That when we get to that point, that people will realize that the
only option here is to come together, unify, and realize that it’s the
Democrats we have to defeat here.
BUCHANAN: Right. I’m not one to lecture people on Party loyalty. I
tried to create a new Party in 2000 and failed. But I think you look at
the turnout of the Republicans, the
enormous energy, enthusiasm, and fire
there. Look what Bernie is doing in
tearing away working class Democrats
on trade issues from Hillary Clinton.
And you look at the Supreme Court at
stake, with the Scalia seat open. We’ve
got two Houses of Congress. We could
win the Presidency and reconstitute
the Supreme Court, if everybody pulls
together, and go after it. Now, there’s
no guarantee you’re going to win, but
there’s a guarantee you don’t win if
they try that scenario you described
where they stop Trump and steal the
One of the reasons Trump’s doing
well is he defies political correctness.
He’s like a horse that won’t take the
saddle put on him, and that’s one reason these folks love him. They
want him to resist the establishment. Every time they come down
on him and call him names, everybody is praying, “Don’t apologize. Don’t apologize. Go right back at them.” And he does. This is
one reason he’s building support.
RUSH: If Trump reached out to you, would you take the call?
BUCHANAN: Sure. I mean, what would he be calling about? But
yes, I would. I’ve talked to him, but I haven’t talked to him much
during the campaign.
RUSH: Pat, I appreciate your time. I really do. I’ve admired you for
as long as I can remember. You were at The St. Louis Globe-Democrat when I was a kid in Cape Girardeau, Missouri reading
the paper. I have admired you since then.
BUCHANAN: The great St. Louis Globe-Democrat, that’s right! I
remember your help up in New Hampshire in those lonely days in
RUSH: I’ll never forget it. I endorsed you because we needed conservatism in the debate.
BUCHANAN: Exactly. You take it easy, Rush. And thanks for all
“Trump defies political correctness. He’s like a horse that won’t
take the saddle, and that’s one reason these folks love him. They
want him to resist the establishment.” — PAT BUCHANAN