this has happened. You have a movement in this country loosely
referred to as the Progressive Movement. I’ve called these people
“statists.” They use our liberties against us. They pile law upon law.
They redefine what liberty is. Liberty is subsidies. Liberty is redistribution of wealth. Liberty is —
LEVIN: Yes, and welfare. All these things that aren’t liberty at all.
And rather than acknowledging that we as individuals are born
with unalienable rights, and acknowledging God-given natural
rights and man’s nature, what they seek to do is substitute government for the individual, and for his or her liberties. Statists are constantly in the business of reshaping man, trying to persuade
individuals that progressivism is being done on their behalf,
that there is some paradise at the end of the rainbow. You
surrender more and more of your liberty, property, and humanity to a relative handful of individuals who become increasingly coercive. You see that happening in our country.
It’s extremely disappointing and frustrating, but the
Framers of the Constitution realized the possibility. If you
look at the structure of the Constitution, it was all intended
to make sure that the central government wouldn’t run
away with power. Even though we needed one. They also
knew that the possibility of an oppressive government, despite what they had done, existed. And that’s what we have.
RUSH: One of the many things that strikes me about the
Founders is they knew what they were doing. They weren’t
just structuring things for themselves. They really were
visionary. You’ve concluded here that Washington, D.C. is
incapable of reforming itself. What your book does is
explain that the Founders anticipated this exact situation. It’s in
Article V, right?
LEVIN: That’s right.
RUSH: The mechanism that would allow amendments to begin in
the states, and this is where The Liberty Amendments begins. I imagine when you first posited your idea that a lot of people misunderstood, and said, “Wait a minute, Mark, you can’t start a Constitutional Convention — the left is going to take the thing over, and
they’ll throw the whole Constitution out.”
LEVIN: A couple of things. First of all, they have thrown, essentially, the whole Constitution out. So it’s not like Mark sees the
Constitution and thinks the Framers did a lousy job, and now
Mark gets to impose his will. That’s not what’s happened. Take
Obamacare as a most recent example. Congress passed this law
without Constitutional authority. When you look at Article I, they
don’t have the power to do this. Then the President of the United
States signed a law that he doesn’t have the power to sign. Then the
Supreme Court amended the Constitution to uphold the law. What
are we suppose to do as a great people, just sit here and accept it?
“Okay, that’s the end of it. There’s nothing we can do about it. No
That is just one example. Whether it’s the Environmental Pro-
tection Agency, or the Interior Department, or the Agriculture De-
partment, or Barack Obama issuing fiats, or not enforcing laws, or
enforcing parts of laws, or making laws — this is absolutely lawless-
ness. We’re so unmoored from the Constitution right now, it’s not I
who wants to change the Constitution. It is I, and you, and others,
who want to breathe life back into the Constitution.
When you look at how to do it, it’s right there in Article V, the
second process for amending the Constitution. You cannot have a
Constitutional Convention. That is
not authorized under our Constitution. When people talk about a
Constitutional Convention, it is
nothing more than fear-mongering.
Article V says “a Convention for
Two-thirds of the states seek a
Convention. They make application to Congress — which has no
substantive power whatsoever to
interfere with it, and we know this
from Alexander Hamilton’s statements in the Federalist Papers,
among many others. The states
convene, at least two-thirds of the
states. And here’s the thing:
under both amendment processes,
the Constitution requires three-fourths of the states to ratify.
With the first process, two-thirds of Congress propose an
amendment. That’s how 27 amendments have become ratified by
three-fourths of the states. With the
second process, the states get
together and propose amendments.
Three-fourths of the states have to accept what’s being proposed. So
there can be no “runaway Convention.” But the people who are
entrenched in Washington, D.C., and their ferocious disciples,
whether in academia or the media, do not want us thinking about
what’s possible under the Constitution at the same time they’re mangling the Constitution. Even in conservative media some lament
what’s going on but have no idea how to address it; they claim to trust
the people and the will of the people, but they simply do not.
RUSH: One of the things that worries people about a new Convention is that Obama is not abiding by the Constitution now. He picks
and chooses what he wants to accept in legislation, and he ignores
what he doesn’t. There’s some fear that if a new Convention begins,
they simply will not accept what two-thirds or three-fourths decide.
Or, they’ll simply take the occasion to write a Constitution as they’ve
always wanted, which grants government all kinds of power and
limits the power of the individual. You’re proposing ten amendments
that basically reaffirm the Constitution as it is, correct?
LEVIN: Let me address that. Yes. First of all, under some of these
amendments Obama, or whomever, can defy all they want, but the
“Our cause is a righteous cause: the preservation of liberty
and the restoration of this Republic. ” — MARK LEVIN